How To Relate

Taylor is a LCSW and founder of Social Work to Wealth- a finance education platform for social workers. Taylor shares how a tip about high-yield savings accounts sent her down a personal finance rabbit hole that reshaped her finances, her marriage, and her mission. She and her husband tackled $277,000 in debt — and she's been sharing that journey publicly ever since to normalize the money conversation for social workers everywhere.
In this episode:
Why the "you're not in it for the money" messaging is harmful — and wrong
What the NASW Code of Ethics actually says about financial wellness (Taylor asked the guy who wrote it)
The "digital envelope" budgeting method Taylor has used for four years
Practical salary negotiation tips, including why you need a script in your Notes app
Nontraditional career paths: trust and safety at Spotify, HR at IPSY, and beyond
The three currencies — money, time, and energy — and where yours is going
Resources mentioned:
Finance for the People — Paco de León https://www.amazon.com/Finance-People-Getting-Grip-Finances/dp/0143136259
I Will Teach You to Be Rich — Ramit Sethi https://www.amazon.com/Will-Teach-You-Be-Rich/dp/0761147489
Yo Quiero Dinero podcast — Jannese Torres https://yoquierodineropodcast.com/
Delyanne the Money Coach https://delyannethemoneycoach.com/
Tori Dunlap / Her First $100K https://herfirst100k.com/
Find Taylor: ⁠socialworktowealth.com⁠
IG: https://www.instagram.com/socialworktowealth/
 
How to Relate
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We plan births. We register for gear. We don't plan for what happens to the people becoming parents. Veronica Kemeny, co-founder of Anchor Perinatal Wellness in Raleigh, joins Brittani to talk about matrescence, the neuroscience of new parenthood, why couples hit their hardest stretch right when baby arrives — and what support actually looks like across a full continuum of care. Veronica Kemeny, LCSW discusses the realities of pregnancy, postpartum mental health, parenting, relationships, and nervous system regulation.
 
Resources
Anchor Perinatal Wellness — free walk-in screenings, outpatient + IOP, call even if you're out of state https://www.anchorperinatal.com/
Postpartum Support International — ⁠postpartum.net⁠ · 55+ free virtual support groups, 24/7 Maternal Mental Health Hotline, state chapters for local navigation
 
Brittani's Resources
Website: ⁠https://www.brittaniprocknow.com/⁠
IG: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/brittani_procknow⁠
Intimacy Workbook: ⁠https://howtorelate.kit.com/b956780219⁠
Newsletter: ⁠https://howtorelate.kit.com/e9f87bb2dc⁠
 
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Therapist Threads Newsletter: For therapists to stay connected
⁠https://howtorelate.kit.com/069297fffb⁠
 

What happens when everything you thought was true about your relationship turns out to be built on secrets? Heather Heide, founder of Uplifted Therapy in Minnesota, a practice specializing in betrayal trauma. Heather works with couples and individuals navigating the aftermath of infidelity, sex addiction, and all the nuanced forms betrayal can take — and what healing actually looks like when your world gets rocked.
 
Resources Mentioned
Seeking Integrity — treatment center with extensive free resources for betrayal and sex addiction
Michelle Mays — betrayal trauma specialist and podcast host
Dr. Ken Adams — work on enmeshment and generational family patterns
Terry Real — shame/grandiosity/boundarylessness framework referenced in conversation
Maddie Corman's one-woman show on betrayal trauma (title TBD — Heather to confirm!)
Unmasking Shame — Heather's upcoming shame project with her business partner, launching in approximately 6 weeks
Connect with Heather
⁠uplifted-therapy.com⁠
Instagram: ⁠@heatherheidi⁠
Brittani's Resources
Website: ⁠https://www.brittaniprocknow.com/⁠
IG: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/brittani_procknow⁠
Intimacy Workbook: ⁠https://howtorelate.kit.com/b956780219⁠
Newsletter: ⁠https://howtorelate.kit.com/e9f87bb2dc⁠
 
Support the show and drink coffee! Proud to have Larry's Coffee as a show sponsor. Keep caffeinated with quality coffee. ⁠https://larryscoffee.com/relate⁠ 
 
Therapist Threads:
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What separates great leaders from ones who quietly destroy their teams? And when you're the one burning out at the top — do you stay or go? Kealy Spring, licensed therapist and executive coach in the San Francisco Bay Area, breaks down the inner psychology of leadership, what executive coaching actually is, and why most people calling themselves coaches probably aren't.
 
In This Episode
Therapy vs. coaching — where they overlap and where the line actually is
The energy audit: a practical tool for diagnosing burnout before deciding to stay or quit
Golden handcuffs — how to think through ambivalence when the pay is great but you're miserable
The 3-step cognitive reframe for catching distorted thinking at work (mind reading, personalization, and more)
Imposter syndrome across career stages — and why it hits differently for women
The double bind for women in leadership: likable vs. competent, and how to navigate it
Why less than 10% of coaches are actually thriving — and what the unregulated industry gets wrong
Key Takeaways
🔑 The energy audit isn't about adding to your plate — it's about gathering data so you know where to work the edges.
🔑 Cognitive distortions don't stay home when you go to work. Name it → check your evidence → reframe.
🔑 Coaching is strategic and time-limited. Therapy goes deeper into patterns and history. You may need both.
Resources Mentioned
Kealy's therapy practice: ⁠keelyspring.com⁠ | Coaching: Spring Ahead Coaching
Kealy's podcast: Therapeutically Aligned https://www.youtube.com/@therapeuticallyaligned 
⁠Hampton⁠ — peer advisory groups for founders
Simon Sinek's Start With Why | Self-Determination Theory
☕ Larry's Coffee: https://larryscoffee.com/relate
Brittani's Resources:
Website: ⁠https://www.brittaniprocknow.com/⁠
IG: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/brittani_procknow⁠
Intimacy Workbook: ⁠https://howtorelate.kit.com/b956780219⁠
Newsletter: ⁠https://howtorelate.kit.com/e9f87bb2dc⁠
Stay connected.
 

What if the problem in your relationship isn’t the argument you keep having—but the pattern underneath it?
Therapist Carole Cullen explores how couples can move from disconnection to deeper intimacy using a mix of structured tools, emotional processing, and experiential learning.
Carole shares how she integrates the John Gottman Method and Emotionally Focused Therapy (EFT), why traditional 50-minute sessions often fall short, and how immersive couples intensives can create breakthroughs in just a few days.
We also dive into her innovative membership model, The Work of Us, which combines therapy, community, and real-life experiences—from Pilates to equine-assisted learning—to help couples reconnect outside the therapy room.
If you’ve ever felt stuck in the same conflict loop, this episode will help you understand why—and what actually creates change.
 
Carole's Resources:
Website: https://mytherapistnc.org/
Couples Workshops: https://www.couplesworkshopsnc.com/
 
Brittani's Resources
Website: ⁠https://www.brittaniprocknow.com/⁠
IG: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/brittani_procknow⁠
Intimacy Workbook: ⁠https://howtorelate.kit.com/b956780219⁠
Newsletter: ⁠https://howtorelate.kit.com/e9f87bb2dc⁠
 
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What happens when artificial intelligence enters the therapy room—both with clinicians and clients?
Ann Dypiangco, LCSW, is a therapist in private practice and co-creator of Therapist Brief, a newsletter for therapists navigating tech, research, and the changing landscape of mental health care. She also works at the intersection of clinical practice and emerging technology in her roles at Blueprint.ai and Mental Health Match.
From AI-generated therapy notes to clients turning to chatbots for emotional support, we explore what’s changing, what’s concerning, and where there’s actually opportunity.
 
Ann's Resources:Therapist Brief Newsletter: https://therapist-brief-newsletter.beehiiv.com/ 
 
Podcast Resources
Website: https://www.brittaniprocknow.com/
IG: https://www.instagram.com/brittani_procknow
Intimacy Workbook: https://howtorelate.kit.com/b956780219
Newsletter: https://howtorelate.kit.com/e9f87bb2dc
 
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Therapist Collective: The Trusted Community for Entrepreneurial Therapists to Refer, Connect, and Grow
https://howtorelate.kit.com/069297fffbhttps://therapistcollective.carrd.co/

What if you stopped trying to make the perfect decision—and instead focused on making the best bet?
In this episode, Brittani sits down with Daniel to explore how poker strategy—especially ideas from Thinking in Bets—can transform the way we think about relationships, career choices, and everyday decision-making.
They break down concepts like probability thinking, emotional regulation, and “playing the long game,” and apply them to real-life scenarios like dating burnout, job searching, and running a business.
If you’ve ever spiraled after a “bad outcome” or questioned your choices, this episode will help you zoom out, rethink control, and make more grounded, confident decisions.
 
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Website: https://www.brittaniprocknow.com/
IG: https://www.instagram.com/brittani_procknow
Intimacy Workbook: https://howtorelate.kit.com/b956780219
Newsletter: https://howtorelate.kit.com/e9f87bb2dc
 
Daniel's Substack The Disrupted Therapist:https://thedisruptedtherapist.substack.com/?utm_source=recommendations_page&utm_campaign=1394488 

In this episode, we’re diving into modern dating—offline and online—from being pitched at a live singles event to unpacking the realities of situationships, emotional availability, and what it really means when someone says they “don’t know what they want.”
Key Takeaways:
What emotional availability actually looks like in real life
The 4 C’s of dating: chemistry, connection, compatibility, and commitment
Why situationships happen—and how to spot your role in one
How to support a friend in a toxic dating cycle (without burning out)
The truth about people who “don’t know what they want”
Why dating in your 30s can lead to stronger, healthier relationships
First date do’s and don’ts (and why dinner might not be it)
The surprising average cost of a date—and what it means for modern dating
 
Podcast Resources
Website: https://www.brittaniprocknow.com/
IG: https://www.instagram.com/brittani_procknow
Intimacy Workbook: https://howtorelate.kit.com/b956780219
Newsletter: https://howtorelate.kit.com/e9f87bb2dc
 
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If you feel like you’re having the same argument over and over again—this episode is for you.
In this solo episode, we'll break down the hidden dynamics driving conflict in relationships, including core negative images, pursuer-withdrawer patterns, and the vulnerability underneath reactivity.
You’ll learn how to understand your conflict cycle, take ownership without defensiveness, and repair in a way that actually creates connection.
 
Brittani's Resources
Website: https://www.brittaniprocknow.com/
IG: https://www.instagram.com/brittani_procknow
Intimacy Workbook: https://howtorelate.kit.com/b956780219
Newsletter: https://howtorelate.kit.com/e9f87bb2dc
 
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What is imposter syndrome, and why do so many successful people still feel like they don’t belong?
In this episode of How to Relate, Brittani and Drew explore the psychology of imposter syndrome, including the fear of being “found out,” chronic self-doubt, and the pressure to prove ourselves in work, dating, and relationships.
Unpack how imposter syndrome shows up in everyday life—from dating anxiety and people-pleasing to parenting pressure and professional perfectionism—and discuss practical ways to challenge the inner critic and build self-trust.
You'll Learn:
What imposter syndrome actually is
The fear of being “found out” as a fraud
How imposter syndrome develops
Perfectionism, comparison, and performance pressure
How imposter syndrome shows up in dating and relationships
The connection between embarrassment and shame
Imposter syndrome in careers and parenting
Practical ways to challenge self-doubt and build self-trust
 
Support the show and drink coffee! Proud to have Larry's Coffee as a show sponsor. Keep caffeinated with quality coffee. https://larryscoffee.com/relate 
 
Brittani's Resources
Website: https://www.brittaniprocknow.com/
IG: https://www.instagram.com/brittani_procknow
Intimacy Workbook: https://howtorelate.kit.com/b956780219
Newsletter: https://relate-co.kit.com/e9f87bb2dc